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Morning cowards, seems like people are still visiting this place, allow me to vent my spleen a little more - just for fun.

I see from the news that humankind has a remote controled toy vehicle on the planet Mars - ahhh, the wonders of science and the "The Enlightenment"

But here's one for you. What is the basic theoretical understanding of the human animal, in terms of its evolutionary characteristics and motivational drives, that underpin "the enlightenment"?

I reckon that human beings are separate from the other animals in that they are naturally artificialised through cultural conditioning which is the origin of repression and, as a corollary, natural guilt.

The harmless naturally occuring guilt is simply a consequence of being a fate (dying) creating creature caught in the infinite interiority of culturally derived self-reflexivity. This is the the deep psych. of the existentialists.

So therefore it is guilt expiation that is our true evolutionary path; unlike all the other animals humans gain their instincts not from DNA coding but by the cultural norms that gave rise to the character of existence.

But of course if life is an existential dilemma, finitude within infinitude, then there will be existential traps. Most people will have personal story about individuation, self creation if you like. But what can we learn from those weaker than us, those who on the journey of trying to navigate the triple six woods took the chicken run and got snared in one of the Devils bear/man traps? Such sorry animals, sadly more than I can count.

Perhaps it all boils down to natural guilt. I mean if you're entire self-reflexivity to cultural environment is based on a need to expiate guilt by finding guilt in others and scapegoading them whilst bleating "but I haven't killed anyone" and "considering the level of provocation against me" - you are actually enslaved to the subconcious need for guilt expiation but in a completely inauthentic way. Thats sublime cowardice, a total inabilty to prove your action in the world, supreme self-righteousness.

Could it be that even if the bugbears of the cowards disappeared overnight they would create new ones - just in order to maintain their psychological equanimity? I very much think so.

So, to the question about the human understanding underpinning mans rapidly failing "enlightened" world:

There is no basic theory underpinning it (but please 'enlighten' me if you know of one)

It is in cowardice that man shrivels in the terror of his existence.

That is why Faith is so important to the species.

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OK, so no-one is visiting this place, but as my bottle of wine has expired let me expand a little on natural guilt, cowardice (death denial) and the need for guilt expiation.

Firstly lets expand on natural guilt and scpegoating and how it relates to human psychological history. Many people believe that religions foist guilt on people, true but only in part, they exploit the pre-expisting guilt. Religion was BORN out of a naturally occurring sense of guilt somewhere in the cosmos as the individuals within organised humanity tried to find a sense of their world and gain a grounding in their self relation. Why do we have the Godliness of language and symbolic reference for ourselves AND be animals with an arsehole destined to die? Thats a monumentally repressed cognitive problem for individuals and the species as a whole. If you dont believe me then consider this, an interpretation of christianity.

Guilt created the idea of God - someone to blame for the cruel paradox of human existence, but God had a hero - namely his only son Jesus, who God sacrificed in order to save humans. Christianity is all about accepting Jesus, the heroic sacrifice, which is analogous to accepting an apology from GOD, thats the story and symbolism which dovetailed into peoples repressed, anxiety ridden psychological interiority.

But, of course, this doesn't expiate the guilt it merely covers it up and pushes the individual into the cult of death denial - something which stifles true self relation and meaning. Scapegoats will always be found so long as the guilt remains, no matter how deeply repressed. But christianity is a solution of sorts for scared animals.

Check out the following part of a thread on medialens, where the Mysoginist Keith264 goads Maxie about being an "abortion apologist" and a fraction of Bush and Bliar (a fascist, unlike him). Maxie is simply a female who has had an abortion due to contraceptive faliure BTW.

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Remember that Keith264 has called women on the MLMB "Nazis with and Auschwitz for a womb", and he has bleated "but I haven't killed anyone".

Is anyone here going to tell me that that IS NOT a coward who cannot find the courage to take on lifes paradoxes and ambiguities?

Check out the thread - he's scapegoating females, whilst maintaining his personal innocence, having never sanctioned an abortion. DONT believe him - he's expiating his natural guilt paradoxically reinforcing it through projection leverage - scapegoats. So he doesn't have to accept inevitible death.

Hyper re-inforced guilt projected onto others because he's too much of a coward to take life on on lifes terms. Even rape victims must bare the progeny of their attacker to satisfy this cowardly monster.

Keith-264 - TOTAL FILTH, clear as day, and, I would say, anyone who engages with him.

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....but as my bottle of wine has expired...

You mean it took you a week to finish a bottle of wine?
No wonder the shit about death!
I am 60 and as Woody Allen said:

I'm not afraid of death, I just don't want to be around when it happens.

Cork another one!

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I'm a big fan of Woody Allen and like his references to death - almost as much as those Philip Challinor book covers with a picture of a skull - not that i've read them of course.

Anyhows, where were we, oh yeah, the psychoanalysis of an individual who believes its OK to call a woman a Nazi with an Auschwirtz for a womb. All 2 of you will have bear with me a while while I labour my reasoning, but hopefully you will be enlightened by the end of it.

Assuming you've been awake I hope that I have explained fairly well the way in which knowledge of mortality plays a central role in human motivation, decision making, ideology and self relation to the world and the others in it. But you don't have to trust me - you could read Sigmund Freuds' theoretical psychology, the Ego and Id, all that stuff - entirely based on the conflict of death awareness within the human psyche. Yes, It really is all about death - amazing who'd of thunk it?

Athough Freud revealed a great many things he didn't get the whole picture - its the woods for the trees thing. Freuds central understanding was that cultural conditioning repressed animalian instincts to be forever buried in the gulf of the subconcious as a bargain for an individual as a member of "society". Guilt, for Freud, was the breaking through of the repressed animals memories of patricide and rampant sexual domination, which Freud believed originated from the activities of our ancestors, this was the animal that civilisation seeked to tame, and did so in part. So gave rise to the great theory of "The Oedipus Complex" - the repressed character of the civilised world, now hopefully socialised.

But Freud only got part of the story, actually he got alot wrong, namely his mis-interpretation of the Oedipus complex, that for short hand we could describe as "the repressed character".

What actually terrorises humans is not the breaking through of his repressed murderous sexual beast within but the awareness of death, it was that that was repressed into the gulf of the subconcious through the invention of culture. Make no mistake - anxiety about death and its reminder, creatureliness, is the primary motivation for all human beings - Its Hard Wired into us.

So backtracking a little i said in a post above that guilt occurs naturally as a consequence of being both creaturely AND culturally conditioned, a paradox which throws up existential dilemmas that have been exploited by the dogma of organised religion. I also said that individuals are driven by a motive to expiate guilt - YOU NAZI FASCIST WHORE etc etc...

But of course with a new understanding of the repressed character Oedipus we can see that the repression is simply the wish t be a cultural hero - to give back to the powers of the re-instinctisation process - the uniquely human characteristic and our only unique evolutionary trait, even if it means abondoning the repressed animal for the symbolic once and for all. This would abviously mean accepting the inevitability of ones own death, but not a bad bargain if one finds a meaning in it.

Don't believe me? Ask yourself this question. If what I am saying is true, that human beings are unique in that individuals of the species evolve within the life time of the individual. And that they do so through a process of individuation within the confines of the culture/society that re-instictivised them, as a way of overcoming the terror of death awareness.....then what would happen if the evolutionary process went wrong.

What would a realised (none repressed/individuated) Freudian Oedipus look like? what kinds of things would he say? NAZI FACIST WHORE perhaps?

How could we predict the markers that would define the realised Freudian Oedipus? Would it, or would not, be DEEPLY ironic if he was tormented by the symbolic image of an aborted foetus? That that is the mainstring of his death denial - the reaction to his ever-present subconcious reminder that he has stratospherically failed to live up the demands of his eternal social conditioning?

Hmmm...answers on a post card please

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The Terror Of Death, Individuation and cowardice - The Nexus of Human Horror.

So by now people will be able to have a basic grounding and understanding in what we may call "the stuff". I know its not the stuff your Ma taught you but she's not my fault.

I imagine these "media activists" as social cripples too scared to face the world and desiring a comfort zone to slumber into ; Revolution ! Keep suggin' bro ! All BS, what Medialens is is a site for mutual masterbation - imagine "walter" grabbing derek lanes penis and giving it a good old yank. Who's that dirty old man Rhisiart who is so shit scared of death he's brought into some garbage philosophy about physics - its just pathetic.

I know death is a real fucker, but seriously, get things in perspective, make a contribution beyond Daily Mail sentiment cock wankers.

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You can learn alot from people like keith-264. this one is laugh or cry. So who is worthy of his emotions exactly? Answer - no-one.


Play the game, swallow your pride and get signed on, that's all that matters on those occasions. When they ask questions about what you did they're behaving like a typical generic manager so treat them like generic managers. When they blame you for being you, ask for practical support like a clothing grant. Taking notes helps as does always writing "Without prejudice" under a line before signing anything.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Without_prejudice#Common_law

They aren't worthy of your emotions so save them for people who are.

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COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP !

Call the cops or what.

"Guilt by association";

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Just more comedy from the fucktards who cant even determine the difference between mine and yours - guilt.

I see that David Bracewell is still hanging out at that shit hole, what a fucktard.


I object to assumptions that gender justifies guilt by association. Behaviour determines guilt and it is mischievous to assume that behaviour is independent of means

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